[Tobias]

The crystal sync issue i don´t understand. To me, digital works or it doesn´t. The only thing that can influence the sound is if the analogue conversion is not able to do its job perfectly, which happens if there is noise degrading that process. The digital part is always perfect and can´t influence the sound. That is in my mind impossible.

[Tobias]

No, they work because they are separated from the ethernet connection and therefore is clean from all the noise that is earlier in the ethernet signal chain. It is basically just a fresh start of the ethernet signal chain.

[Tobias]

This view has changed only recently and all the older theories are now thrown away, as i see it. Try explaining why the Network Accoustic Muon Pro Streaming System seem to solve all problem, more or less. It is just a passive filtering that makes the DAC sing like never before. In my opinion Hans Beekhuyzen has already explained it all here: https://youtu.be/ZCFvIzzMqfk?si=dK6BfzjG-uY-bmh_

[Tobias]

My opinion is that the only thing that matters is the noise floor in the DAC. Everything else is irrelevant. The challange is how to get to that low noise floor.

I was skeptical about having a WiFi extender next to my streamer since all i could see was that it radiates noise. But for some reason it seem to work. This is mainly not my own conclusions but rather numerous of people that has replaced VERY expensive ethernet stuff with this simpler setup.

If you can´t use the WiFi part then maybe fiber can be a similar (breaking the noisy connection) but from what i read you always come to a point where that fiber signal needs to be converted back to “ethernet” again (or whatever it is called), which caused noise when converting that signal.

[Tobias]

best thing since sliced bread!

[Tobias]

My comment got lost… annoying.

A lot has happened just in the last months in this space. Ian Canada battery modules are great for usage in the digital domain, which they test there. In my opinion they are spot-on on that forum. I use their suggested WiFi extenders, Ian Canada Battery PS but the best hidden secret is that ethernet throttle cable!

[Tobias]

Ok, cool. But that is usually not enough to lower the noise floor since the router it self is usually to noisy, even with a good power supply. The forums are exploding with people that physically disconnect their ethernet line by introducing WiFi extened/repleater. Some of these models can achieve and very low noise floor output, if having a really good power supply/battery. This is the route i took and it proved to be much better, even if cheaper and simpler. I can strongly recommend this site that has learnt me a lot. https://ethernet-sound.com/

They do measurements also. You need to use the browser translate function maybe.

I pushed the wrong Reply button so now this was not in context with your comment… I failed to move this comment also… 🙂

[Tobias]

Wijnand, what i don´t understand is that you seem to have a computer device physically connected in your signal chain? In my opinion you are never going to get to a real low noise floor as long as you have that.

A good audio streamer has amazingly low internal noise floor potential that most people ruin the moment they start hooking up gears/cables to it. If you just make sure that the incoming ethernet signal is VERY clean and use a good PS (as you stated) then a good audio streamer will be able to keep that low noise floor and send a clean signal to your DAC. Note that you must use the mobile device to remote control the audio streamer!

In my opinion no additional clocking, or other “mumbo-jumbo” 🙂 is then needed. The challenge is to understand how to lower that ethernet signal noise floor. A passive filter, like the Networks Accoustics Muon Pro streaming systems prove that it is actually quite simple.

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